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welshlamb
Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Posts: 592 Location: South Wales , Nr. Abergavenny
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:58 pm Post subject: DB4 race kitted. |
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AAAgh why are these bikes always other side of an Ocean.
If it were Portsmouth UK I'd be in a van on the way there now.
Anyway for anyone in USA (or indeed anywhere else!) this looks like a great deal to be done.
A 2000 Db4 tricolore with 800 miles (yes!) on the clock and the full race kit with Motocorse Ti exhaust FCR etc etc.
$9800
http://cars-trade.com/details.php?id=19682
I've checked this week and the vendor has confirmed the motorcycle is still for sale. He states
"The motorcycle is being sold as described, clear title, no mechanical issues, everything is in great condition and has been recently serviced. The motorcycle is ready for the road. I am working overseas with ExxonMobil and my contract ends in October 2017. The motorcycle is already crated and ready to go. If you want to find out more details about how we can close up this deal contact me."
I have his direct email contact if interested _________________ Not as many bikes as I would like and already too many to keep up with! |
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vort28
Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Posts: 2194 Location: Northwest , UK
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe there is a plus side to Brixit !!!!!
US import deal !! I'll vote for that !! |
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2bims
Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Posts: 7289
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Hhmmmm....something a tad fishey to the trained eye....the old "i'm working overseas at the moment...crated ready to go"...yet the bike seems to be residing in a dealers shop...so why is there no phone number, website, address etc???
A few years ago when I was looking in mainland Europe...the same scam was being used time and again...generally it was pictures of a Bimota taken in a dealers shop, but quickly taken snapshots...not the wheel it outside and take proper pictures type....then you follow it up for a laugh...and 3 times he was a doctor on a cruise ship...but its crated and ready to go...just end monies...held in escrew account or you get some paypale fake request...yes...with the added e...and some Midlands Bank in Birmingham details...followed by Yanna of paypal phoning in an Asian brummie accent to chase up delayed payment...
The real give away of course is when you ask for frame numbers....or spoof questions like...Has it got the genuine grimeca double dish back flip calipers...and they say yes...but don't provide frame number....Severaltimes though I found the same pictures for the same bike for sale elsewhere...but genuinely so at a dealers...with website back up, land line and mobile numbers...and usually twice the price..>Caveat emptor....Give him a wind up lambie...ask him if they are genuine Marchesini wheels...teehee...watercooled engine...you catch my drift? |
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2bims
Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Posts: 7289
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Oh...and even worse....the courier delivery driver that's dropped off several bikes at my place talked about an address in Edinburgh...where a ships Doctor had left a crated Bimota, or other exotica to be collected...and said duped buyer had actually sent my courier to that address after being paid by the buyer to collect...the resident said...Oh Christ...not again...youre the fifth courier this week to turn up...I haven't got any frigging bikes or anything else for sale...Courier still gets paid as that's the way normally...
Was quite crafty and knew the Bimota market...wsnt asking for half its value or less...just say 20% down on retail to think it was a bargain...but not so far down it would smell fishey....
A proper dealer would photo himself, his passport and stand in front of the bike with both...I've asked for that before...and sellers in Italy have asked for a scan of my passport before allowing me to buy.... |
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hindsight
Joined: 13 Feb 2010 Posts: 126 Location: Central Scotland
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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AVOID!
Wow - this is a coincidence. I was helping a friend just last week, who was interested in purchasing and importing a BMW, and was speaking with someone who was reporting the bike was crated and ready for shipping.
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I am working overseas with ExxonMobil and my contract ends in October 2017 |
The fella who my friend was communicating with was using an gmail address, but his email sig mentioned ExxonMobil (name: Carl Christensen), and he was clearly picking up email from that ExxonMobil email address too (we tested that by sending him a mail to that address).
Here's what the scammer said on the opening email:
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From: <carlchrstnsn@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, 2 February 2017 13:17
Subject: 2006 BMW HP2 ENDURO R1200GS BLUE
Hello,
The motorcycle is still for sale. Price is $7,650.00.
The motorcycle is being sold as described, clear title, no mechanical issues, everything is in great condition and has been recently serviced. The motorcycle is ready for the road. I am working overseas with ExxonMobil and my contract ends in October 2017. The motorcycle is already crated and ready to go. If you want to find out more details about how we can close up this deal contact me.
Thank You
Carl Christensen
Exxon Mobil Corporation
Carl Christensen / Process Engineer
carlchristensen@exxon-international.com
Exxon Mobil Corporation
exxon-international.com
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I got very suspicious when the character involved was clearly using a VPN to send his emails, and the (very professional looking) website for courier company that he suggested using was only registered on the 25th January.
Mike |
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Bud977
Joined: 03 Mar 2013 Posts: 525 Location: Sydney
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welshlamb
Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Posts: 592 Location: South Wales , Nr. Abergavenny
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:57 pm Post subject: SCAM? |
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Here's what the scammer said on the opening email:
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From: <carlchrstnsn@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, 2 February 2017 13:17
Subject: 2006 BMW HP2 ENDURO R1200GS BLUE
Hello,
The motorcycle is still for sale. Price is $7,650.00.
The motorcycle is being sold as described, clear title, no mechanical issues, everything is in great condition and has been recently serviced. The motorcycle is ready for the road. I am working overseas with ExxonMobil and my contract ends in October 2017. The motorcycle is already crated and ready to go. If you want to find out more details about how we can close up this deal contact me.
Thank You
Carl Christensen
Exxon Mobil Corporation
Carl Christensen / Process Engineer
carlchristensen@exxon-international.com
Exxon Mobil Corporation
exxon-international.com
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Yes that's the same name and gmail address I've got the email from
Now Glad its not in Portsmouth UK as It sound like I would be wasting the petrol. (where was the BMW nominally located) _________________ Not as many bikes as I would like and already too many to keep up with! |
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Bud977
Joined: 03 Mar 2013 Posts: 525 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Good work Mike. Old mate Carl must have quite a few bikes for sale. |
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hindsight
Joined: 13 Feb 2010 Posts: 126 Location: Central Scotland
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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I was just about to tweet ExxonMobil to warn them that their email had been compromised and was being used as a convincer, when I did a bit of checking. It turns out that the scammer was using exxon-international.com - which is NOT owned by ExxonMobil...
I think this fella might be the miscreant behind this (from the whois informaion behind exxon-international.com):
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Name
Alex Webb
Organization
Oils Products
Address
2607 Rusk St
City
Houston
State / Province
Texas
Postal Code
77003
Country
US
Phone
+1.71366110
Email
alexwebb1952@aol.com
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hindsight
Joined: 13 Feb 2010 Posts: 126 Location: Central Scotland
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: SCAM? |
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welshlamb wrote: |
(where was the BMW nominally located) |
Portland, OR |
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2bims
Joined: 03 Apr 2010 Posts: 7289
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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The whole crux of all of these...and the all have the same pattern...is that they will NEVER let you come to view the bike...even if they re in a supposed different country to you...you say...My cousin lives in the same town...he will go to view....The real beaut though is that Bimotas are so specific and small production...that simply asking for a frame number will throw them...thankfully there are forums like this and others for other makes where would be buyers can check in first to get an impartial view...I've had several ask me...they don't want to reveal the advert though...as they don't trust me not to snaffle away the realtively cheap bike they've found...so I go back and forth and convince them otherwise...theyreveal the advert...and I show them the same photos of the same bike in a Dealers hop in Italy, Germany,..Harolds back yard..I've seen it all...Just Google "Bimota images"...and every picture loaded on this forum pops up...and you simply open, save and can use....... |
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welshlamb
Joined: 09 Mar 2011 Posts: 592 Location: South Wales , Nr. Abergavenny
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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Well at least this is a nice clear example of that scam then. As you Say $$ was just low enough to be interesting. I will proceed very cautiously in future!!. _________________ Not as many bikes as I would like and already too many to keep up with! |
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quikduk
Joined: 13 Aug 2016 Posts: 287 Location: Southern California, USA
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:54 am Post subject: |
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Caveat Emptor!
When buying anything, until you or someone you trust implicitly (preferably with the same quality of built-in BS detector as you hopefully have) have put their very own eyes and hands on said product and can vouch for not only the physical validity of the item but it's purported quality, no money should appear nor be given. Anything else is a fools errand.
The older I get, the more skeptical (not necessarily "wiser") I get and while I am the consummate "nice guy", "TRUST...BUT VERIFY"... |
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v-pilot
Joined: 01 Jun 2014 Posts: 79 Location: Rexford NY
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:07 am Post subject: |
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I've seen this before on ebay...couple of years ago around the same time I got mine. I remember it being on Long Island, NY The link in bud's post has a phone number that is in New York, NY so that's probably the correct post. The guy has a pretty good collection of bikes _________________ 02 aprilia RSVR Mille, 02 aprilia SL1000 Falco
99 bimota db4 tricolor, 98 Moto Guzzi V10 Centauro
97 Suzuki LS650 96 Triumph Trident 900
96 Ducati 900 SS/SP
87 moto Guzzi Le Mans IV se (2x)
78 Moto Guzzi V50
68 benelli 250 65 Ducati 250 |
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