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brian



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In the next 10 years, there will be no lead acid batteries, and the bike you ride daily will be electric.

If you don't have change in your heart, you will be left behind... Sure the odd electric bike will catch fire as the technological revolution moves forward... Shocked Progress I say.... lol


Well if my only choices are to ride electric motorcycles or be left behind, I will happily be left behind
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brian



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

brian wrote:
who wrote:



In the next 10 years, there will be no lead acid batteries, and the bike you ride daily will be electric.

If you don't have change in your heart, you will be left behind... Sure the odd electric bike will catch fire as the technological revolution moves forward... Shocked Progress I say.... lol


Well if my only choices are to ride electric motorcycles or be left behind, I will happily be left behind


And don't mistake me for a fuddy duddy that doesn't like change, I'm all for technology and moving forward. But for me, a motorcycle must have an internal combustion engine, without one, they have no charisma. Personal choice I guess
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for those great replies and feedback from the Australian contingent - I will definitely be dragging myself (not kicking and screaming) into the 21st century soon and investing in one of those things.
Hope your winter is not too depressing. Have you heard about the heatwave in southern Europe?
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brian



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

barnmankit wrote:
Thanks for those great replies and feedback from the Australian contingent - I will definitely be dragging myself (not kicking and screaming) into the 21st century soon and investing in one of those things.
Hope your winter is not too depressing. Have you heard about the heatwave in southern Europe?


It's the middle of winter here in North Queensland and expected temperatures for tomorrow are 13 - 26 degrees.... that's Celsius not Fahrenheit Wink Laughing
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quikduk



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember that the batteries we are talking about are Lithium-Iron-Phosphate (LiFePO4) and NOT Lithium-Ion.

A brief informational excerpt is listed below:

ôLithium-Iron-Phosphate batteries are a huge improvement over lead acid in weight, capacity and shelf life. The LiFePO4 batteries are the safest type of Lithium batteries as they will not overheat, and even if punctured they will not catch on fire. The cathode material in LiFePO4 batteries is not hazardous, and so poses no negative health hazards or environmental hazards. Due to the oxygen being bonded tightly to the molecule, there is no danger of the battery erupting into flames like there is with Lithium-Ion. The chemistry is so stable that LiFePO4 batteries will accept a charge from a lead-acid configured charger. Though less energy-dense than the Lithium-Ion and Lithium Polymer, Iron and Phosphate are abundant and cheaper to extract so costs are much more reasonable. LiFePO4 life expectancy is approximately 5-7 years.

Lithium-Ion batteries and Lithium Polymer batteries are the most energy dense of the Lithium batteries, but they are lacking in safety. The most common type of Lithium-Ion is LiCoO2, or Lithium Cobalt Oxide. In this chemistry, the oxygen is not strongly bonded to the cobalt, so when the battery heats up, such as in rapid charging or discharging, or just heavy use, the battery can catch fire. This could be especially disastrous in high pressure environments such as airplanes, or in large applications such as electric vehicles. To help counteract this problem, devices that use Lithium-Ion and Lithium Polymer batteries are required to have extremely sensitive and often expensive electronics to monitor them. While Lithium Ion batteries have an intrinsically high energy density, after one year of use the capacity of the Lithium Ion will have fallen so much that the LiFePO4 will have the same energy density, and after two years LiFePO4 will have significantly greater energy density. Another disadvantage of these types is that Cobalt can be hazardous, raising both health concerns and environmental disposal costs. The projected life of a Lithium-Ion battery is approximately 3 years from production.

Lead Acid is a proven technology and can be relatively cheap. Because of this they are still used in the majority of electric vehicle applications and starting applications. Compared to Lead-Acid batteries the only disadvantage of the LiFePO4 batteries is that they really do not perform well below about 0 degrees Celsius. However, since capacity, weight, operating temperatures and CO2 reduction are large factors in many applications, LiFePO4 batteries are quickly becoming an industry standard. Although the initial purchase price of LiFePO4 is higher than lead acid, the longer cycle life can make it a financially sound choice."

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Bud977



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for posting that up. Sounds good to me. How can I tell if my battery is LiFePO4? Or are the LithiumIon batteries just no longer used?
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brian



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interestingly the SSB Powersports website refers to our batteries as Lithium 'Ion' Phosphate.

Batteries listed above are...

Lithium 'Iron' Phosphate or Lithium 'Ion'


Not sure what the difference is
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Bimsb6



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lithium standard on ktm's now i believe , i put one on my streetrod harley with no issues and bought a noco charger as they have a li ion setting .
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