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oily
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 4788 Location: worcestershire
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:09 pm Post subject: SB6 Batterys... |
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...The time has come for me to invest in battery's for the "Big Bore".
Anyone have any recommendations? Motobatt, Bosch, Varta, Odyssey??
or are you just using cheap and cheerful ?
What ya using and what do ya think of them?
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Vince186
Joined: 23 Mar 2012 Posts: 636 Location: Nijmegen (Netherlands)
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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I ordered a Motobatt UB200 But I still waiting for it to arrive (They are in backorder)
So I can’t give you any advice ......... yet _________________ vince
A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new. Albert Einstein |
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sb6rdaz
Joined: 23 Nov 2010 Posts: 124 Location: Burton-upon-Trent
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Yuasa are always a good one, but I've been stocking Nitro for some time now, and used one as my workshop jump battery, and that's been very good, so as a cheaper alternative, I'm happy to recommend.
Daz. _________________ It's mine and I'll wash it as fast as I like! |
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Jonny B Bad
Joined: 05 Dec 2009 Posts: 555 Location: NE London
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:48 pm Post subject: SB6 Batteries |
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Oily
Odyssey have only a limited operating temperature range. They claim high cold cranking amps, but there's not much happening below 5 degrees - I was using a hair dryer to warm it up before trying to start the bike! Conversely, my YB8 gets a bit hot in traffic and the battery would no longer run the motor until it had an hour or so to cool down. In summary, lighter and smaller than the lead acid but not practical.
Recently replaced my Odysseys with Ballistic Lithium Ion from the States. Weighs next to nothing and even smaller than the Odyssey. When it's cold - sub 5 degrees, it sounds like it's flat straight off the charger, but third crank and it starts her up good as gold - manufacturer says you should switch the headlight on for 5 mins before starting to warm the battery up. I haven't tried this as I wouldn't do it with a lead acid. Doesn't seem to have a problem with the heat either. Very happy to recommend Ballistic, but they are well north of £100 by the time you've paid the duty. _________________ What, Jonny's gone! |
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Jonny B Bad
Joined: 05 Dec 2009 Posts: 555 Location: NE London
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:54 pm Post subject: SB6 Batteries |
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P.S.
Given where the batteries sit on the 6, you would definitely appreciate the weight loss of Lithium Ion versus Lead Acid. You can buy them with 8 cells which are good enough for a normal 1000cc bike. I've put a 12 cell on my big-bore to be sure, which still fitted where the old lead acid did on my 6R. They even do a 16 cell, from which I should think you could jump start an artic _________________ What, Jonny's gone! |
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brian
Joined: 22 Aug 2011 Posts: 3769 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:35 am Post subject: |
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Do the lithiam ion batteries need to be charged regularly by an external source or can they be charged in the normal way from your alternator? Depending on this i will probably go lithium ion when the sb6 betteries die.
Cheers, brian _________________ '99 DB4 #104, '96 SB6 #1165, '94 DB2 J #652, '99 DB4 #088, '08 VTX1800, '93 ZXR750R M1, '95 ZXR750, '95 ZXR750 Race Bike, '94 CBR400rr NC29 Race Bike, '94 CB250, '49 BSA C10 250, '61 BSA A10 650, '89 ZXR750, '91 Ducati 851 |
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Jonny B Bad
Joined: 05 Dec 2009 Posts: 555 Location: NE London
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:27 pm Post subject: SB6 Batteries |
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Lithium Ion charges off the alternator and purportedly only loses about 10% of its charge if left unused for a year. Clearly, if you've got an alarm you still need to use a trickle charger. _________________ What, Jonny's gone! |
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brian
Joined: 22 Aug 2011 Posts: 3769 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: SB6 Batteries |
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Jonny B Bad wrote: |
Lithium Ion charges off the alternator and purportedly only loses about 10% of its charge if left unused for a year. Clearly, if you've got an alarm you still need to use a trickle charger. |
Or ride it often . Thanks JBB _________________ '99 DB4 #104, '96 SB6 #1165, '94 DB2 J #652, '99 DB4 #088, '08 VTX1800, '93 ZXR750R M1, '95 ZXR750, '95 ZXR750 Race Bike, '94 CBR400rr NC29 Race Bike, '94 CB250, '49 BSA C10 250, '61 BSA A10 650, '89 ZXR750, '91 Ducati 851 |
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SiBag
Joined: 03 Mar 2012 Posts: 251 Location: Cheshire
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Im running a Motobatt on my CCM.
It spins the 650 single up even on the coldest days after standing for a month.
They do a suitable 14A jobby (MBTX12U) that should let you run one bat rather than the two. You may be able to layit sideways to gain some space. _________________ Si...
SB6..CCM R30...GSXR-750-M...RGV-250-VJ22.. GSX-1100-EFE Project....Harris Magnum II project...
If its got Ti#s or Wheels its gona give you trouble |
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oily
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 4788 Location: worcestershire
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the reply's guys (keep them coming)
...I bought a Shorai a few months ago. It's the 14ah version so I had high hopes but it struggled to turn a standard SB6 engine fast enough to start.
Very disappointing at over £100 but after your reply JBB, I might look into this again and give it a second chance.
The cost of even cheap battery's these days is a bit of an investment so I'm planning on getting it right this time
...Any other suggestions/recommendations?
_________________ SB6 mk1 (project mega light, big bore)
Sb6 mk2 ( Big Bore)
Sb6 mk2 ( Restored)
Sb6R fighter
Sb6 or Sb7 WANTED |
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Vince186
Joined: 23 Mar 2012 Posts: 636 Location: Nijmegen (Netherlands)
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:20 am Post subject: |
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It is a known problem with the lithium batteries.
When the temperature drops to low the power of the batteries drops also.
Place the batt in a warm place for a while and try it again. _________________ vince
A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new. Albert Einstein |
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oily
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 4788 Location: worcestershire
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:45 am Post subject: |
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Vince186 wrote: |
It is a known problem with the lithium batteries.
When the temperature drops to low the power of the batteries drops also.
Place the batt in a warm place for a while and try it again. |
...So living north of the tropic of cancer, It's always going to struggle?
_________________ SB6 mk1 (project mega light, big bore)
Sb6 mk2 ( Big Bore)
Sb6 mk2 ( Restored)
Sb6R fighter
Sb6 or Sb7 WANTED |
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oily
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 4788 Location: worcestershire
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:12 am Post subject: |
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..Before I cycled the 3 miles to the parcel office to pick up my pre-load adjusters ( ) i thought I'd give this Shorai battery a bit of a bash.
On with the ignition....press the button.....nah, not enough umph.
on with the headlights for 15 seconds....press the button...no problem.
30minuets and six miles later...press the button, again no problem. Spins the engine over without effort.
seems they do work which is a good thing considering the cost
Now....which lithium battery has the longest guarantee?
Still not sure what to invest in. two gel battery's are roughly the same price as another Shorai or are other lithium battery's better/cheaper/longer warranty than a year? _________________ SB6 mk1 (project mega light, big bore)
Sb6 mk2 ( Big Bore)
Sb6 mk2 ( Restored)
Sb6R fighter
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Vince186
Joined: 23 Mar 2012 Posts: 636 Location: Nijmegen (Netherlands)
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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oily wrote: |
..Before I cycled the 3 miles to the parcel office to pick up my pre-load adjusters ( ) i thought I'd give this Shorai battery a bit of a bash.
On with the ignition....press the button.....nah, not enough umph.
on with the headlights for 15 seconds....press the button...no problem.
30minuets and six miles later...press the button, again no problem. Spins the engine over without effort.
seems they do work which is a good thing considering the cost
Now....which lithium battery has the longest guarantee?
Still not sure what to invest in. two gel battery's are roughly the same price as another Shorai or are other lithium battery's better/cheaper/longer warranty than a year? |
See, it works…….. you only need a little patience
Electricity is really just organized lightning. _________________ vince
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oily
Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 4788 Location: worcestershire
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Vince186 wrote: |
Electricity is really just organized lightning. |
True, true....my bikes are 12volt and lightening is at least 1.5 million volts so almost the same _________________ SB6 mk1 (project mega light, big bore)
Sb6 mk2 ( Big Bore)
Sb6 mk2 ( Restored)
Sb6R fighter
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