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brian



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:18 am    Post subject: For discussion - Ohlins FG 8700 forks - value? Reply with quote

Hi guys,

Not really BIMOTA related, but I figured a lot you guys have had more to do with Ohlins forks than me, so you might have an idea.

I have this set of brand new (never been fitted to a bike) Ohlins FG 8700 Superbike forks. They are not ‘Road & Race’ forks, I’m led to believe they were Superbike forks of the day... mid 90’s? I also have the Ohlins maintenance and parts manual for them. Unfortunately I don’t have the original box that they would have come in.

My question is what are they worth? I don’t really need to sell them so I’m not interested in letting them go cheap, but I’ve had a few people wanting to buy them over the last few years so am considering selling them. I know they are only worth what someone is willing to pay, but unless the right person comes along I wont know.

It’s easy enough to google search and find out what a similar set of Ohlins forks is going for but, these are brand new, never fitted.... so a little hard to find another new set to compare to. I have never seen another brand new set.

Open to ideas and would like to hear your thoughts.

Cheers

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm... 10 days and over 160 views but not one comment.

I had hoped to get some discussion on the subject, but either nobody has anything input, or this forum is not the place I thought it was Rolling Eyes

I guess I might have to resort to the ghastly FB after all Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe peeps simply don't have the knowledge of true race stuff to comment on value??

you may get some response here
http://www.motoforum.net/
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:08 am    Post subject: Onlins forks Reply with quote

Hi Brian, first off thoughts go out to you & your countrymen with the appalling fires you’re fighting at the moment.
Those forks were aimed at racers at the time and anybody else who had a racer’s budget. Coincidentally, I bought an SB6r out of the US a while back, with the assistance of the very helpful Tirefriar, which has those very forks fitted. It also has a blueprinted motor, Marchesini wheels, billet callipers and masters, titanium system etc. Despite all of the “goodies” it didn’t command a significant premium, albeit this might have had something to do with the 6R’s unloved status in standard trim. This is the best bike I have ridden and the forks certainly contribute to that.
Having said that, somebody fitting them today will likely see axial calliper mounts as a limiting factor and somebody who can live with that will say that whilst they are still superior to any modern standard fitment, they are “old technology” compared to modern Ohlins race forks. The other thing is that, buying the forks is just the start, then you’ve got to get some yokes made up.
Bottom line is that these forks have an intrinsic value which is probably greater than the market value to the right person. If you pm me your best offer, I’ll see if I can compete.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stockcar wrote:
maybe peeps simply don't have the knowledge of true race stuff to comment on value??

you may get some response here
http://www.motoforum.net/


Thanks stockcar, I’ll check it out
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:20 am    Post subject: Re: Onlins forks Reply with quote

Jonny B Bad wrote:
Hi Brian, first off thoughts go out to you & your countrymen with the appalling fires you’re fighting at the moment.
Those forks were aimed at racers at the time and anybody else who had a racer’s budget. Coincidentally, I bought an SB6r out of the US a while back, with the assistance of the very helpful Tirefriar, which has those very forks fitted. It also has a blueprinted motor, Marchesini wheels, billet callipers and masters, titanium system etc. Despite all of the “goodies” it didn’t command a significant premium, albeit this might have had something to do with the 6R’s unloved status in standard trim. This is the best bike I have ridden and the forks certainly contribute to that.
Having said that, somebody fitting them today will likely see axial calliper mounts as a limiting factor and somebody who can live with that will say that whilst they are still superior to any modern standard fitment, they are “old technology” compared to modern Ohlins race forks. The other thing is that, buying the forks is just the start, then you’ve got to get some yokes made up.
Bottom line is that these forks have an intrinsic value which is probably greater than the market value to the right person. If you pm me your best offer, I’ll see if I can compete.


Thanks Jonny. My original plan was to fit them to my ZXR750R M model (which will have a frame up rebuild), But they’re probably too special to put on an otherwise stock road bike. I agree that more modern Ohlins forks are no doubt much better, I imagine the person that would want to buy these would be building a period correct race bike.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess to a period classic racer they may be worth their weight in gold , but to the average road punter who is swayed by trend and not performance/quality , they might see them as old hat.

There is a serious difference between the pukka Ohlins race kit and the mass produced licences stuff that ends up on special edition mass produced models

Are modern better ???? Now that is a very good question . They are certainly sometimes cheaper .
Are cheap cast radial brakes better than forged/billet axial that would have been originally used with these forks ????? Debatable .
Do the pukka quality race forks come with the ability to have any brake configuration ? Yes they do. (changeable brackets).

So is this the right place to discuss, maybe. Afterall we are the people that buy the Bimota version when cheaper mass produced versions are available !! Laughing Laughing

Personally , I would look at how much they owe you , how much it would cost to replace them if you did not put them on the R , were is it you want the R to ultimately go ? Is it going to be a resto and stock , or a full blown looking Muzzy WSB.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

some time ago i had various GSXR750 Y/K models that were mostly used on track........most were modded and had later K4> radial brakes / forks

the last one i had was very heavily modded suspension wise using the original axial brakes / forks and was actually the most reassuring of them all on the brakes
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that got the posts flowing Brian. I reckon you're right in saying that your buyer would be someone building a period correct race bike, and probably a display bike at that.

Our Period 6 (up to '90) race classes do not allow fitting of USD forks so no use there. PreModern race bikes have got pretty good forks that can be tuned as standard and with most racers being tight arses, they'd only buy them if they weren't expensive.

I reckon they'd be worth $2K as they're a nice bit of bling. There is still a lot of work to fit them to a bike - triple clamps, axle, caliper brackets, guard, so a lot more $$ to spend for the buyer. Maybe if you can find out which triples they will fit into, and what axle fits, etc. then finding a buyer may be easier.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only just seen this post...apologies Brian.....Very similar items to what are/were fitted to the Aprilia RSVR bikes...with the separate reservoirs, albeit with brackets for radial calipers.....and radial brembos you can pick up for £350 brand new....thats the calipers...I think you'll find the tops are 51mm diameter...and then I think they go down to 53mm for the lower yoke so Aprilia RSVR yokes fit.....they regularly reach £1,000 for a good set of used Ohlins on EBay.uk....some folk asking £1500 and more....and all "used" none are new...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_armrs=1&_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=aprilia+ohlins+forks

In there is a bit of a pinch though....New is only new for a period.....fluids fine if they've had no action....springs also...Seals and dust caps....not so.....So for anyone wanting to pay big bucks and use them...theyd be wanting to strip and refresh anyhow.....and I doubt you'd be giving a 12 month guarantee with them....even though you are a great fellow...Keep and use them if you dont need the money....Turn them into door handles for your lounge....anything.....just keep them
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies gents.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2bims wrote:
Only just seen this post...apologies Brian.....Very similar items to what are/were fitted to the Aprilia RSVR bikes...with the separate reservoirs, albeit with brackets for radial calipers.....and radial brembos you can pick up for £350 brand new....thats the calipers...I think you'll find the tops are 51mm diameter...and then I think they go down to 53mm for the lower yoke so Aprilia RSVR yokes fit.....they regularly reach £1,000 for a good set of used Ohlins on EBay.uk....some folk asking £1500 and more....and all "used" none are new...


These are Superbike spec.... 53mm top, 58mm bottom and 30mm axle.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vort28 wrote:

There is a serious difference between the pukka Ohlins race kit and the mass produced licences stuff that ends up on special edition mass produced models


So is this the right place to discuss, maybe. Afterall we are the people that buy the Bimota version when cheaper mass produced versions are available !! Laughing Laughing

Personally , I would look at how much they owe you , how much it would cost to replace them if you did not put them on the R , were is it you want the R to ultimately go ? Is it going to be a resto and stock , or a full blown looking Muzzy WSB.


Yeah that’s why I posted it here and here only Stu.... I know a lot of the guys on here have some REALLY nice kit in their stashes and there’s a lot of knowledge here.

FB has just got too many wankers that like to cause grief. I haven’t posted it on FB as I have quite a few FB friends that collect or are building period correct ZXR racebikes. A few of them know that I have these and want them, but of course they want them for pitence.

I haven’t ruled out putting them on the 750R yet, I do have a lot of other nice parts to go on it... Ohlins rear, Marvic wheels, Brembo rotors, AP Racing 6 pot callipers, Ohlins damper, full Ti race system and Ti Muzzy can. As others have mentioned it’s a fair bit of work to fit the forks but they would be a conversation piece to somebody who knows their stuff.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theres a lovely company based in Rimini that make custom design billet cnc yokes to your specs...diameter...trail spacing etc.....Not bimota...but based in Rimini
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2bims wrote:
Theres a lovely company based in Rimini that make custom design billet cnc yokes to your specs...diameter...trail spacing etc.....Not bimota...but based in Rimini

Interesting.

Would these be "wide track" Ducati type forks, being the real deal kit you might try a Ducati 916 type site.
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