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glened



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:22 am    Post subject: DB10 back home Reply with quote

Just received Baby Bim back from Ben Rea Racing. After many years looking to find someone that would be prepared to even look ar the bike, fellow Bimota owner Howard suggested that I try Ben. He has had the bike for nearly three months trying to resolve the EFI issues and has fitted a "Rapid Bike Fuel Module" after fitting the part he has changed a number of the electrical connectors to Ducati style and fitted two new Lambda sensors. Howard very kindly offered to collect the bike for me today, I have started the bike and just ridden up the close where I live and it felt much improved and ticked over quite smoothly. It has always run rough from being new, having done over 25k on the bike I am looking forwards to having possibly the last ride this year if the weather improves. I will send you some pictures of the module and some feedback into how the bike performs.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's a very nice man that "howard" fellow....its not true what they say about him at all...

Is the bike still taxed then?.....Albeit theres less neighbours on your road at the moment with one of them now self isolating in a Welsh Castle....What a potty mouth she has on her....never realised

I'm up for dragging out Db6 or DB2 or one of the tinker 2-strokes if youre free....One can meet one....
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Steve, I will give you a bell on Friday and I will have a ave a look at the weather forecast
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glened



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Following on from the ride with Steve the other week. I am saddened to report that the Bimota is still running rough. I feel Ben has gone has far as he can with it. He fitted a Rapid Bike Fuel Module and it seems to have alleviated some of the fuelling problems, it is still a pig to start when cold. So its back on the ramp. I will either fix it this time or I will drop all it's fluids and confine it to a glass case. Time to start riding some of the other bikes.



I have a video of what it sounds like and does when it start running rough, I will ask 2Bims the best way of uploading it.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Upload to youtube....then cut and paste link once Youtube has approved it and tested youre not trying to educate anyone in Backpack DIY explosives....
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arsenic



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you ever test rode an 1100 hm evo sp ? To see if you have the same feeling ?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2020 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm the short answer is yes

The long winded one is this. A close friend of mine has owned 3 hypermoto’s with the last one being an Evo SP and I have ridden them all. I personally found them to be great bikes however I found that the suspension was a little to soft for my tastes, at that time I was riding an 2008 Monster 1100s which I had altered to suit me. Ohlins forks which had been altered by Maxton, full race system, Gilles rear sets, high lift cams, performance ECU etc etc. What I had done in reality was take a nice bike and turn it into a very focused piece of kit that was very good at chasing sports bikes up to about 140 mph however it was uncomfortable and a bitch to ride unless you were ringing it neck. I then saw the DB10 and thought it looked like fun and I thought it looked awesome. So the deal was struck and I joined the weird world of Bimota ownership 2013, the bike has never run properly and the Ducati dealership had to fit a new Ecu before they could get it run, however the bike runs I just love how it handles and goes and stops. All the work I had done on the monster, the Bimota would give it a good run for it’s money. I have indulged her in respect to upgrades Matris fork internals, BST carbon wheels, Accossato master cylinders, HEL brake line, Lithium battery, Titanium bolts. The bike is quite light and tips the scales with a gallon of fuel at about 154kg with about 98bhp makes for a lively ride. The bike is one of the best bikes I have owned or ridden she handles way better than a HyperMoto as the suspension is more road biased and therefore not soft, she is a hoot to ride up to about 130mph. This is why I continue trying to find ways to get her to run cleanly. I hope that answers your question, if you ever find one for sale, buy it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha thanks for thé answer but it wasnt really about me, i asked you this because if you liked how the engine run on a 1100HM, then why dont you Just put the whole electronic + ECU system on your db10 like i did with my db8 (1198 whole electronics + injection system etc etc and it run perfectly) it would definitely save you from more headaches
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes' I have thought about it and as such I have been looking for a donor bike, but to date have not managed find one. I think I would need the ECU injection system, wiring loom, clock etc. I have friend in the uk who runs a large bike breakers and he has not managed to find me one. This is the reason I have just spent £1000.00 on having a rapid bike fuel module installed, unfortunately it didn't work as I would have hoped. The bike is now stripped down and will attempt to address some of the wiring problems. Thank you for suggestion that I change to a Ducati system, I am greatly encouraged by the fact that you have already done this. What problems did you encounter? And did you have to make a new wiring loom as the ECU on Bimota is behind the headstock and Hypermotard is under the seat. Any info would be much appreciated.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

glened wrote:
Yes' I have thought about it and as such I have been looking for a donor bike, but to date have not managed find one. I think I would need the ECU injection system, wiring loom, clock etc. I have friend in the uk who runs a large bike breakers and he has not managed to find me one. This is the reason I have just spent £1000.00 on having a rapid bike fuel module installed, unfortunately it didn't work as I would have hoped. The bike is now stripped down and will attempt to address some of the wiring problems. Thank you for suggestion that I change to a Ducati system, I am greatly encouraged by the fact that you have already done this. What problems did you encounter? And did you have to make a new wiring loom as the ECU on Bimota is behind the headstock and Hypermotard is under the seat. Any info would be much appreciated.


The previous owner did the job in Paris on a ducati specialist, so far he told me the only « problem » he encountered is that the whole electronic wireness is just longer (because a 1198sbk is a longer bike than a db8) so it’s harder to hide and make it look like its « clean » the finitions are quite horrible but im going to strip it down and restore it to make it like brand new , but im pretty sure you wont have this issue with the db10 as it’s pretty similar in size to the HM.
Anyway, my bike now is basically a 1198 with bimota fairing and chassis, it can be maintained on any ducati store or italian specialist without any trouble, im really happy.

I dont know about the UK, but in France on Facebook we have some ducati selling parts groups, it can be pretty easy to find some parts on them, do you want me to check with some friends ? Maybe they have some connexions and good deals.


Edit : Voici une annonce intéressante que je viens de trouver sur Leboncoin : https://www.leboncoin.fr/motos/1878710310.htm

This bike can be sold entirely or in parts, do you want me to ask them the cost of the whole injection system/electronic etc ?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

What ECU is fitted as standard to this model? If it's based on a ducati and runs the same ecu as the 1098,1198,999,749 etc then there is a plug and play full access ecu option available to you.

I supply Microtec ECU's and have done for years, potentialy there is a solution, if i can help please let me know.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

X81 wrote:
Hi,

What ECU is fitted as standard to this model? If it's based on a ducati and runs the same ecu as the 1098,1198,999,749 etc then there is a plug and play full access ecu option available to you.

I supply Microtec ECU's and have done for years, potentialy there is a solution, if i can help please let me know.

cheers

chris


The thing is, its another whole system of injection on the bimota, often (if not always) its a Walbro and not Bosch like on the ducati, so the best thing to do is basically transform the bike into a ducati and not trying to make the walbro and bimota electronics run better, honestly it save a lot of time and money.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the DB10....they went away from Walbro....and used Athena....similar to like Benelli use....but....Bimota never completed the software for the bike set up....before they first went bump
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah so... different name, same story...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never studied a DB6 or a DB10 in any great technical detail, but I would expect/assume, just like on my DB2SR that bimota retained most/all the standard Ducati sensors (please could someone correct or confirm my assumption here?)

As such, while there may be a challenge with physical positioning (I recall from my conversations with Glen that the DB10 Athena ECU is tucked in a confined area), I rather suspect that it may be possible to create a loom adaptor, and have the ability to plug in an alternate ECU (Microtec, Bosch, etc) in, without modifying the loom.

Of course, it would also have to be checked what the Bimota dash is expecting from the ECU, as this may have implications for choice of ECU.

Mike
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