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Generic front end + rear wheel in a Vdue frame?
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steff_dk



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2bims wrote:


Why does Guido get such specialist privilege from your questions and we don't???.... Laughing

Rear shock units were Paioli....with remote body/adjuster...identical in design to the Ohlins units...but very gaudy with white spring and purple anodising here and there....theres the odd one comes up on ebay from time to time....


Lol, true Laughing

Man I would love to get hold of one of those Paioli shocks!
Do you know what model/reference I should search for?
I am assuming the YB11 won't fit.
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2bims



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you really need is as below....found someone selling a whole front end...mudguard, yokes, steering stem, forks, calipers and maybe theres a spindle there....just bearings and a dust cap and bottom dust seal needed...







Oh...clip-ons and clamps also included

Message the seller of the YB11 rear shock for dimensions...hes a dealer and was a Bimota dealer so he would take measurements I'm sure...he's had it for sale for literally years....
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2bims wrote:
What you really need is as below....found someone selling a whole front end...mudguard, yokes, steering stem, forks, calipers and maybe theres a spindle there....just bearings and a dust cap and bottom dust seal needed...


Oh that's much too posh for my needs.

I'm going for that ghetto pit bike wolf-in-sheep's clothing look Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They may be Paioli units on that pit bike....before and after Bimota approached them in the 1990's they only made units for 50cc and up to 125cc scooters and other also rans.....hence searching for "paioli" shows up a LOAD of rubbish to sift thru to find the larger stuff fit for Bimotas.....
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

They made stuff for larger bikes as well. Gilera Nordwest for example I think.

The front fork on the CX125 was made by Paoli.

From memory they had some kind of licensing / joint venture with Kayaba.

Katy
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not knocking Paioli Admin... when set up right....i prefer them to marzocchi and showa for instance...But...yet again...I consider myself more educated as a result of your knowledge...I was quite happy to see once at Rivi Barn... a brand new Indian built Royal Enfield...resplendent with twin rear sprung Yellow Paioli shocks......looked very Ohlins at first...but were proudly wearing the "diver" paioli trademark
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Generic front end + rear wheel in a Vdue frame? Reply with quote

steff_dk wrote:
So I have a spare Vdue frame and carbon seat unit, and have just ordered an SB8 swing arm + linkage from Piero.

I am wondering if there is a "generic" front end (triple clamps, forks, wheel, brakes, the lot) from an Italian or Jap bike that will fit straight on the Vdue frame? And maybe one where the back wheel will fit the swing arm too? Rolling Eyes

I would like to have a cheap-ish rolling chassis.

Thanks!


I am currently assembling a Vdue. Started with a spare engine, so you can imagine it takes time and money! A lot of the parts are also hard to get, so I have manufactured some parts and also modified parts to fit the Vdue.

Regarding the front end, I have used a complete Ducati 1098 (not S) front end. However, the tripple clamp steering stem bearings where too large. I think they measured 55mm outside diameter. There where no suitable bearings that could fit between frame and stem, so I ended up making a custom tool to machining the frame to allow 55mm 1098 bearings.

Chassis looks good with loots of brake power. The wheels are easy to fit. Just make custom wheel axle spacers!

Regards Henrik
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steff_dk



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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Generic front end + rear wheel in a Vdue frame? Reply with quote

Sounds cool, Henrik!

Are you also aiming for a track bike, or just a project of sorts?

I think I will try to keep my Vdue parts original without modifying them as they double as an organ bank for my Evoluzione ...

What wheels did you use?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll post here to not hi-jack the thread over at VDUE tank wanted about hard to find spares Wink

I am currently trying to get a quote for custom yokes to mount the Öhlins forks wheels and brembo monoblocs directly from a Daytona 675R to the V-due frame.

I ended up going for the Daytona 675 as the generic donor bike since the weight seems on par with the Vdue so I am hoping the forks will be a good match. Also the 675 fork leg length will allow me to keep the Vdue geometry unchanged. Lastly there seems to be sufficient 675 parts on eBay to last me a lifetime.

We'll see if cnczone.com comes through ... protolabs wanted an arm and a leg for just the ABS plastic models ...

Heres the drawing:



and the photo that initially inspired that:



EDIT: I now have the Öhlins forks and rear shock, wheels and Brembo M4 monoblocs (everything Daytona 675R) so there is no way back ... Shocked









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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got some pictures today of the work in progress.

Needless to say I'm stoked Very Happy













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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking awesome! very Bimota-ish…. gotta love a nice piece of billet
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup....lovely shots...shiney billet.....the maker must be ramping his price up....placing them on old sun faded timbers to make for an arty shot also....normally theyd be laced on a battered dirty oiley tiled floor...with the blokes toes and boots in the shot also.....clearly hes a professional
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice to see more Vdues getting built form parts

Cheers Trev
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steff_dk



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the finished parts. One of the top yokes came out scratched (only cosmetic damage) so now I have a spare ... Cool

Next up is to see if the press fit dimension of the bottom yoke actually matches the steering stem I have.

I had it made to interfere 0,1 mm.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had the stem and bearing pressed into the lower yoke. During this the stem shaved off an infinitely thin chip on one side of the yoke but nothing I worry about ...

Looking at the stem I thought it was threaded near the top and that I was looking for a stem nut to drive the upper bearing onto the stem and hold everything in place (even if the threading looks rather fine and wouldn't take a lot of torque).

However, looking in the manual it seems that there is no stem nut but "just" the dust cover (13) pinching the stem where it seems to be threaded and then the yoke on top of that - also with a pinch bolt.

Can anyone confirm what is actually going on up there?

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