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Hursty
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All though I have become quite attached to my little block of wood
I still am keen if someone comes up with a solution. I would prefer to keep my original stand standard so a remake works for me 
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oily
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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PM you have 
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Vince186
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| Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:09 am Post subject: |
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My side stands modification …. at least what I've made of it..
First carefully saw the weld seam. (Not too deep, about 4 mm)
Remove the upper half, that’s the part what to reuse.
If you do it carefully it’s always possible to bring the side stand in its original condition.
I make me the parts as shown in the picture, I used 6082 T6 aluminium and stainless steel threaded rod.
Spring attachment is also stainless steel.
Assembled it and now I have a side stand that’s 25mm longer lighter and adjustable for an extra 20mm.
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SiBag
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| Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Nice work Vince,
I was thinking of doing similar but re-making the top section out of ally.
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Vince186
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| Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| SiBag wrote: |
Nice work Vince,
I was thinking of doing similar but re-making the top section out of ally. |
That was first mine idea also, but I wasn’t sure what aluminium to use.
The top section is the part where higher forces are on.
This solution is easy to fabricate, you only need a lathe.
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oily
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| Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent work Vince
I'll be copying that when I can find time.....
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Evilchicken0
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| Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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When I an alloy bottom yoke and steering stem made he used 7075T6
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| Hi, getting some more piccies - just got a load of FEA work done, using load case examples provided by an ex truimph chassis engineer, and also reverse engineered the loads using the SKF recommended safety factor back from the bearings. Using 7075T6 we are are well in, you'll be glad to know. We are about 10 times away from fatique load, using 2G as an assumption, and even that was presuming you and the bike and your missus and your luggage weighs 500kg! |
The side stand doesn't take the full weight of the bike although some people get onto them using the footpegs at shows.
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Vince186
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| Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| oily wrote: |
Excellent work Vince
I'll be copying that when I can find time..... |
Finding time, I thought it is a matter of priorities 
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Vince186
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| Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| Evilchicken0 wrote: |
When I an alloy bottom yoke and steering stem made he used 7075T6
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| Hi, getting some more piccies - just got a load of FEA work done, using load case examples provided by an ex truimph chassis engineer, and also reverse engineered the loads using the SKF recommended safety factor back from the bearings. Using 7075T6 we are are well in, you'll be glad to know. We are about 10 times away from fatique load, using 2G as an assumption, and even that was presuming you and the bike and your missus and your luggage weighs 500kg! |
The side stand doesn't take the full weight of the bike although some people get onto them using the footpegs at shows. |
7075 T6 aluminum is excellent for that.
It is about 35-40% stronger than 6082 T6.
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SiBag
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| Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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I have a few lumps of 2014 knocking about that should do nicely.
I thought the main advantage of the 7075 was that it was good after welding (rapid age hardening) or am I thinking of 7072 ?
I'll shut up now..
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Vince186
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| SiBag wrote: |
I have a few lumps of 2014 knocking about that should do nicely.
I thought the main advantage of the 7075 was that it was good after welding (rapid age hardening) or am I thinking of 7072 ?
I'll shut up now.. |
The 2014 alu is also fine, the 2000 series is what they used in the past in aircrafts.
Only it is more sensitive to corrosion.
The 7000 series is what they use in (F16) aircrafts where the strengths are high.
For example under skin of the wing.
A disadvantage is that a scratch can become a crack. It’s that hard.
I chose for the 6000 series because it’s easy to machine and still strong enough.
Has a high corrosion resistance and scratches and sharp edges are no problem.
But, I'm not a materials expert it's only what I know.
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sbbimota
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| Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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to all....it seems to me the problem is actually where the STOP is on the sidestand, not the length. Has anyone every modified the location of the STOP so it doesn't go so far forward? when mine is at it's stopped location, the end of the sidestand (flat part where it hits the tarmack) isn't even close to parallel...
thoughts please.
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Vince186
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Hello Pete,
Welcome to this wonderful forum.
Before my side stand modification I tried some other things to see if I could fix it without a complete new side stand.
I placed a extra washer in the pivot point to eliminate the play and placed a piece of metal between the stop and the side stand.
My findings were that the it was a little better but that when you gentle push the bike forwards it easily tipped over.
I was still not happy.
That’s why I made a new side stand with an adjustable base so that the base always parallel is with the tarmack. (and is long enough)
P.s. pictures of your Bim are more than welcome.....
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desmopiega
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i see that in all of the world we have this problem  |
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2bims
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Oh its easily solved...never park facing downhill...never park on the level, or somewhere windy....always roll it back so the back wheel hits and rests against the kerb....always leave it in gear so it cant roll uphill ...always check and kick the sidestand forward and out several times just to be sure...Then tug the bars/clip ons when its rested to raise the height up....check a couple more times on the sidestand and then never stray away without someone guarding over it...Simples.... Still havent sorted my Db2 sidestand, it leans over SO SO far that the front forks pull all the way out to the stops....reassures me that at least its taking pressure off the 51mm fork seals when its resting at least...when you get on board you physically have to throw the bike to the right to get it upright...Think we should have a "funny" whats your Bimota look like when resting on its sidestand ? competition....
Or as its sometimes called.....Whos got the most wood???? 
I'll start....First with Wood or other various things easily to hand.....
Inch and a half decking slab
Purpose built Inch and a half timber cored and rubber based for ease of carrying and portability
Spare Bathroom tile (2 No), 1/4 inch///wholly inadequate, slippy surface and way too thin (early trial and error)
Days out and about and at home before I had cut up many handy chocks to leave at many various locations....
And the best till last....How I found her 3.5 years ago now...and how she had stood completely untouched and never moved for over 7 years in an underground carpark of a block of flats in London....hence why I've learnt to trust said ridiculous angle of lean.....
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